Wednesday, November 09, 2005
Broke the solo sarging ice:
I finally went out by myself today. It's hard to get friends to go out more than once a week, so for practice, a RAFC like myself is forced to sarge solo. I've known that I have to do this for the past week but today is the first day I've actually convinced myself to go out solo. When I think about it, though, it really isn't that different that going out with friends. The friends I go out with now, with the exception of Jason, really wouldn't serve as good wingmen. The only difference I can see with going out with friends, is that my friends serve as a mobile base that I can return to when I feel like taking a break. When I go out solo, I always feared that I'd be forced to stand on "death row," and take a break by holding up a wall.
Fortunately for me, I ran into a random guy named "Dave" at Alumni Club in Schaumburg. I had just tried to open two sets when this guy stood next to me and ordered a drink. I chatted up with him and found out that he's out to sarge. He said he was 42 and was currently in the process of getting a divorce from his wife of 12 years. To his credit, he looked like he was 3o something. I told him that I just got out of a 2 year relationship and was out to practice my pickup skills. I told him that I was lacking a wingman, and he seemed eager to fill that role.
My first set was a total failure. I saw some girl with a hat walk up to the bar and tried to talk to her. She gave me some weird look and basically ignored me. Later, I walked up to a two set with some tall girl HB5, and her shorter friend (who was probably a 5 too). For whatever reason, she seemed unresponsive. After I said, "Hi," and introduced Dave, she proceeded to tell me that I was drunk. I didn't think I was drunk as I'd only had two beers. I continued to try to get her to open up, but when I asked her why she was being so closed off, she reponsed by telling me that she doesn't open up to guys at bars. I replied that I was unlike most guys at the bars, and she said, "Right" in a sarcastic voice. In the meantime, Dave was talking to her friend while the friend ordered a pitcher of beer. Right after the beer arrived, my girl asked her friend to go to the table so Dave and I were left talking to ourselves.
I learned from all my approaches that I still need a lot more work. The sets on Halloween seemed to go a lot smoother than any of the sets tonight. I only had two conversations that went decent. The first was before Dave arrived. I saw two girls standing near the dance floor. One girl was talking to a midget (who I later learned was a friend of theirs) and the other girl was just standing there nursing a drink. I went up and talked to her. We chatted for a few minutes and then I asked her what she did for fun. She responsed that she didn't have much time to go out as she spent most of her time with her boyfriend. Usually, I'd ignore the comment, but I decided to try a boyfriend destroyer move. First, I used the line I learned from MASF, "I just met you and you're already telling me you're problems? Nobody's perfect." I used that line later in the night and both times I got a giggle out of it. With this girl, I asked where her boyfriend was.
She responsed in a way that I didn't expect. She basically said that she didn't want me to plant bad thoughts in her head. I guess she was familiar with that technique. Unfazed, I continued the coversation anyway:
Girl: My boyfriend is out with some friends.
Me: Really? Wow, you must really trust each other.
Girl: Yeah. (This is when she said that she didn't want me planting thoughts in her head that he might be cheating or something).
Me: Well, at least you didn't tell me he was working late. (I laughed and lied with the following line). LOL, my friend use to come over. He'd call his girlfriend and tell her he was working late and then we'd go out.
Girl: Wow, your friends really evil.
Me: Yeah, you can never trust guys as that's in their nature.
We then talked about random stuff and I just didn't feel like we were clicking so I ejected. In retrospect, I could have tried isolating her. She might have gone along with it as her friend and the midget friend were engaged in conversation, but for some reason I decided to eject.
The only other set that went well was a two-set I opened with Dave in tow. The two set was a short Indian girl (HB5) , and a brunette (HB 6) that was about my height.I said, "Hi" and asked them how they knew each other and what brought them to Alumni Club. HB6 responded that they were partying because a friend was moving out of town. I then tried to move into the "Best friend test." I'm not sure if that was the right move, but I told them that I had a test that could tell me if they were best friends or just acquaintances. When I was sure that both girls could hear me, I asked them if they used the same shampoo. After I asked, they made eye contact with each other and then looked back at me. HB6 made some response that I couldn't hear, and I told them "It doesn't matter what your answer is, I can tell that you known each other for awhile. After I asked that question, you two looked at each other before responding. When two people have a connection like you two do, they look at each other first before answering. If you two had just met recently, you would have kept eye contact with me."
What's funny is that after I said, that, they looked at each other again and giggled. I guess some of this material does work. Just as I did that, though, a Madonna song came on and HB6 got excited and told her friend that they should go dance. Just as they left, I told Dave that we should have went with them. He commented that we should have, but it was too late now. He then asked what happened as he thought I was doing well. I don't know if I was doing well, and the Madonna song came at a bad time, or if I was doing poorly. The important thing is that I think I can open two sets solo in the future and I've now practiced the "best friends test."
My conclusions for tonight are that I did okay and just have to open more and more sets. I'm definately going out to Alumni Club Thursday for Ladies Night, and I'll probably go to the city with Jason this weekend. Tomorrow, I think I'm going to work on my day game. I also am going to try the "Jealous Girlfriend" opener as my current attempts at using "natural" openers isn't working too well. McMaxx is right in this post when he says that "chodes" need to stop reading theory and start practicing. I keep reading his post for motivation when I'm tempted to read theory instead of going out in the field.
I finally went out by myself today. It's hard to get friends to go out more than once a week, so for practice, a RAFC like myself is forced to sarge solo. I've known that I have to do this for the past week but today is the first day I've actually convinced myself to go out solo. When I think about it, though, it really isn't that different that going out with friends. The friends I go out with now, with the exception of Jason, really wouldn't serve as good wingmen. The only difference I can see with going out with friends, is that my friends serve as a mobile base that I can return to when I feel like taking a break. When I go out solo, I always feared that I'd be forced to stand on "death row," and take a break by holding up a wall.
Fortunately for me, I ran into a random guy named "Dave" at Alumni Club in Schaumburg. I had just tried to open two sets when this guy stood next to me and ordered a drink. I chatted up with him and found out that he's out to sarge. He said he was 42 and was currently in the process of getting a divorce from his wife of 12 years. To his credit, he looked like he was 3o something. I told him that I just got out of a 2 year relationship and was out to practice my pickup skills. I told him that I was lacking a wingman, and he seemed eager to fill that role.
My first set was a total failure. I saw some girl with a hat walk up to the bar and tried to talk to her. She gave me some weird look and basically ignored me. Later, I walked up to a two set with some tall girl HB5, and her shorter friend (who was probably a 5 too). For whatever reason, she seemed unresponsive. After I said, "Hi," and introduced Dave, she proceeded to tell me that I was drunk. I didn't think I was drunk as I'd only had two beers. I continued to try to get her to open up, but when I asked her why she was being so closed off, she reponsed by telling me that she doesn't open up to guys at bars. I replied that I was unlike most guys at the bars, and she said, "Right" in a sarcastic voice. In the meantime, Dave was talking to her friend while the friend ordered a pitcher of beer. Right after the beer arrived, my girl asked her friend to go to the table so Dave and I were left talking to ourselves.
I learned from all my approaches that I still need a lot more work. The sets on Halloween seemed to go a lot smoother than any of the sets tonight. I only had two conversations that went decent. The first was before Dave arrived. I saw two girls standing near the dance floor. One girl was talking to a midget (who I later learned was a friend of theirs) and the other girl was just standing there nursing a drink. I went up and talked to her. We chatted for a few minutes and then I asked her what she did for fun. She responsed that she didn't have much time to go out as she spent most of her time with her boyfriend. Usually, I'd ignore the comment, but I decided to try a boyfriend destroyer move. First, I used the line I learned from MASF, "I just met you and you're already telling me you're problems? Nobody's perfect." I used that line later in the night and both times I got a giggle out of it. With this girl, I asked where her boyfriend was.
She responsed in a way that I didn't expect. She basically said that she didn't want me to plant bad thoughts in her head. I guess she was familiar with that technique. Unfazed, I continued the coversation anyway:
Girl: My boyfriend is out with some friends.
Me: Really? Wow, you must really trust each other.
Girl: Yeah. (This is when she said that she didn't want me planting thoughts in her head that he might be cheating or something).
Me: Well, at least you didn't tell me he was working late. (I laughed and lied with the following line). LOL, my friend use to come over. He'd call his girlfriend and tell her he was working late and then we'd go out.
Girl: Wow, your friends really evil.
Me: Yeah, you can never trust guys as that's in their nature.
We then talked about random stuff and I just didn't feel like we were clicking so I ejected. In retrospect, I could have tried isolating her. She might have gone along with it as her friend and the midget friend were engaged in conversation, but for some reason I decided to eject.
The only other set that went well was a two-set I opened with Dave in tow. The two set was a short Indian girl (HB5) , and a brunette (HB 6) that was about my height.I said, "Hi" and asked them how they knew each other and what brought them to Alumni Club. HB6 responded that they were partying because a friend was moving out of town. I then tried to move into the "Best friend test." I'm not sure if that was the right move, but I told them that I had a test that could tell me if they were best friends or just acquaintances. When I was sure that both girls could hear me, I asked them if they used the same shampoo. After I asked, they made eye contact with each other and then looked back at me. HB6 made some response that I couldn't hear, and I told them "It doesn't matter what your answer is, I can tell that you known each other for awhile. After I asked that question, you two looked at each other before responding. When two people have a connection like you two do, they look at each other first before answering. If you two had just met recently, you would have kept eye contact with me."
What's funny is that after I said, that, they looked at each other again and giggled. I guess some of this material does work. Just as I did that, though, a Madonna song came on and HB6 got excited and told her friend that they should go dance. Just as they left, I told Dave that we should have went with them. He commented that we should have, but it was too late now. He then asked what happened as he thought I was doing well. I don't know if I was doing well, and the Madonna song came at a bad time, or if I was doing poorly. The important thing is that I think I can open two sets solo in the future and I've now practiced the "best friends test."
My conclusions for tonight are that I did okay and just have to open more and more sets. I'm definately going out to Alumni Club Thursday for Ladies Night, and I'll probably go to the city with Jason this weekend. Tomorrow, I think I'm going to work on my day game. I also am going to try the "Jealous Girlfriend" opener as my current attempts at using "natural" openers isn't working too well. McMaxx is right in this post when he says that "chodes" need to stop reading theory and start practicing. I keep reading his post for motivation when I'm tempted to read theory instead of going out in the field.
